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Aum · Jan 11, 2008, 05:57 PM // 17:57

And on that note, I am going to ask 1 question again. If you reply to it be specific. Please be logical and rational. Please address it from a technical and possibly economic perspective.

How is this different from ferrying to Slavers Exile and skipping the 4 dungeons there? This was fixed via an update...

Could Gaile or an ANET developer with access to design documents tell us how this is different?

zknifeh · Jan 11, 2008, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by truzo 117

Im not lieing in any way shape or form. im not making excuses. i just said anet are being unreasonable to ban people for this and not for simmilar things thats happend (like duncan)

yeh my account got banned but thats a good thing, i was addicted to guild wars now im free !!!

imo duncan wasnt as huge of a deal as this was. in my eyes it was the dev's not coding the dungeon fully so it wouldnt let ppl go to him straight by a ferry.
this was a whole other story. you had to go into a hidden from you and your map outpost and skip the other four areas just to have an easy 20 mins for getting weaps that used to be 100k+ and a gem set.

in my eyes they all deserved the perma ban. you can also see in Gaile's post that the people that were banned were the people who benefited from it/did the run multiple times. which means that some people didnt get banned for just visiting the outpost

MirkoTeran · Jan 11, 2008, 06:01 PM // 18:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aum

How is this different from ferrying to Slavers Exile and skipping the 4 dungeons there? This was fixed via an update...

-In Slavers runner escorted player to a valid 'outpost' where they would do a quest they they don't have access yet (until they kill other sub-bosses).
-In DoA they were mapped to a outpost that is not accessible for players at all.

ElinoraNeSangre · Jan 11, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Fates Monk

The "exploit" has apparently been fixed, so why would you get banned for posting how it's done?

That's what I want to know.

You would think it would be FAR more than 117 people if it was so ridiculously easy.

I'd also be very interested in the details of the hack, as it would without a doubt shed more light on the presence of the hack. Between the 2 pieces of information, that should convince a lot of people one way or the other.

There's just not enough data for players to be able to make that many judgments. We don't know for sure there was a hack, or if there wasn't one. We don't know how easy this exploit was to exploit. And it's unreasonable to expect that much information because it empowers people to do those kinds of things again.

What we do know is that the Guild Wars Rules of Conduct say the following: "You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars."

-k

TheRaven · Jan 11, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

ROFL, this whole thread sounds a lot like something that happened IRL in my area.

This criminal figured out a way to re-program an ATM machine to spit out more cash than it should. I don't know how he did it, but he was in the habit of going to a local 7-11 store and monkeying with the ATM in the corner so that he could request a $20 withdrawal from his bank account and the machine gave him $100 instead.

He'd gimmick up the machine, get his money and then fix the machine back the way it normally was. However, one day something went wrong. The clerk got suspicious or he received an emergency phone call or something. He gimmicked the machine, but then had to hightail it out of there in a big hurry!

It didn't take long for the locals to figure out this machine was giving out free money and many people took advantage of it before someone honest told the bank about the problem.

Guess what? The "hacker"/machine programmer went to jail. So did a lot of other people who took advantage of the free cash bonanza.

You used an exploit. You got banned. Learn your lesson and get over it. At least you only got a game taken away from you. If you feel that scamming and cheating your way thru life is OK then you'll likely end up in worse trouble than that.

Coridan · Jan 11, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by ElinoraNeSangre

What we do know is that the Guild Wars Rules of Conduct say the following: "You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars."

-k

While the EULA is all good and stuff...but when you are no longer under the terms of the EULA then all of that goes out the window. Anet terminated the agreement when they banned the players

Rugal · Jan 11, 2008, 06:10 PM // 18:10

Good job, A-Net. The less idiots playing this game, the better. It's like cheating on a math test while the teacher is watching you.

Some people just don't have ANY common sense. These people got what they deserved.

shiznid12 · Jan 11, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

I am just going to let everyone know right now that it doesn't matter how many times you did the exploit, because based on what ArenaNet says, their methods of tracking how many times you exploited it is very flawed.

I don't see how 4 times can turn into 10+ times in their logs, but whatever method they use is horrible inaccurate.

truzo 117 · Jan 11, 2008, 06:18 PM // 18:18

okay, this a full mini guide how the mallyx/hidden town WAS done. this post is purly for educational purposes only and to clear up some FACT's and myth's

After knowing the truth about the town you will realise that it was a accident that could have been found by anyone who ever uses DoA and fught mallyx.

First of all. you need to have completed the first 4 areas and have the mallyx quest open in your log.

now, you then went in to kill mallyx as you would have done normaly to complete the quest. While in with mallyx (or the bit just before or mallyx himself it doesnt matter) your party then wipes (doesnt matter if your alone or in a team)

once your a squishy mess on the floor and the quest failed you press G and map to your guild hall (which you could have done anyways because you were miffed that you just failed)

you then can (from your guild hall) press the G and map back from your guild (yeh i know ill map back to DoA and get another team to try again) but NO !! you accidently get to the "hidden citadel of mallyx" secret town. so providing you dont leave your guild, you can hit G and map there as much as you like.

the only REQ to take other people there are: They also must have faced mallyx at some point it doesnt matter when it also doesnt matter if the other people have the mallyx quest or not. but they must be able to get to your guild hall (guild member or guest invite)

so you can map people there, once the people are there you change char and get a guild member (who you just maped to the town) to map you there.

Also in the town there is a "Enter Misson" button on the party info at the side

so now you all go in, kill mallyx or fail as normal.

when done, you all map out to DoA to get the quest again. and with your other char that still holds the town you map everyone there again and repeat.

note that this is no longer possible !!! and this post is just here to shut up the people who think its a hack. and if you people read carefuly you will see that the first time it was found was a complete accident no hack no 3rd party program. Anet did lie to you all - maybe they said it was a hack because they didnt know how it was done themself maybe which is fair enough.

Anet are good at fixing things in game and as you see whs fixed really quick.
but the point of the matter is, one person needs a quest to map them the same as Duncan or a Taxi to Docks for better armour. no body sould have got banned for a taxi. anet didnt properly seal off the hidden town - all they had to do was remove the "enter mission" button from the party info.

You may agree with the ban you may not - who cares. my point is that no hacking no 3rd party programs, just a error by anet and people were wrongly banned. yes a 72 hour ban for a taxi - but thats about it.

im now free from guild wars so it really doesnt affect me.

Now... can i get a show of hands who laughed ?

Orange Milk · Jan 11, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

First off, those of you that say "Anet is to blame" are tards. There are most likly a handfull of LOCKED outpost all over the game to assist the Devs/Techs (exp. the end chest suddley stops spawning after you Kill Mayllox, people send in tickets and come complain on this site. You want the Devs/Techs to have to ALL Quests and work their way there for hours to see the problem first hand, or warp to the outpost and go? Hence LOCKED outposts in remote/hard to get areas)

For those of you that say "Hey all they did was use and explot, they did nothing wrong" If you found out a banks video cameras were not working would you then go rob it and say it was OK cause all you did was take advantage of an exploit? NOPE still broke the law.

Also, guilty people never tell the truth when they feel they can still get out of something. Alot of the "lucky 117" say they didnt know, or they only went once, or its not a hack. But they fail to give you all the details, Mickey came forward a little bit back there somewhere, saying he only did it once, then comming back saying he did several runs. I'm wondering how many of the people who were "taken there unknowingly" paid for the ferry? (exp. I'm spamming "LFG for Mayllox, first 4 quest complete" in DOA and get a whisper "Hey join us 5k plat and we ferry you to him" because I HIGHLY DOUBT the story of being randomly guest invited and being dragged in. People with secrets gdon't give them away for free, too much risk that whats happening now would happen. Even if they are not telling them "HOW" its done, I'm sure many paid for the ride and/or the guest invite.

I says oh well to those folks, they can go play Maple Story where eveyone hacks.

IlikeGW · Jan 11, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by truzo 117

I know why you all keep thinking its some kind of hack, i would if i didnt know how its done and seen it for myself, a hack is the most simple and logical answer to think of, but no body hacked it ever, not "the first guy" no body.

it was found by people just going through DoA as normal. just like many of you we had guild DoA runs to do all 4 quests then mallyx where we would spend hours in all the zones.

please get a admin to ok-it and i will post exactly how it it done

I can't see why it would be a problem to post if they've blocked it in game. Also I'm curious to hear what the deal is, and why the term hacked client is used if it's not accurate.

Coridan · Jan 11, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

Well it appears that anet/someone has lied again....doesn't sound like a client side hack to me...sounds more like a bug that was discovered by accident and then taken advantage of...just like the duncan thing... GG Anet

Tom Swift · Jan 11, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by truzo 117

okay, this a full mini guide how the mallyx/hidden town WAS done. this post is purly for educational purposes only and to clear up some FACT's and myth's

After knowing the truth about the town you will realise that it was a accident that could have been found by anyone who ever uses DoA and fught mallyx.

First of all. you need to have completed the first 4 areas and have the mallyx quest open in your log.

now, you then went in to kill mallyx as you would have done normaly to complete the quest. While in with mallyx (or the bit just before or mallyx himself it doesnt matter) your party then wipes (doesnt matter if your alone or in a team)

once your a squishy mess on the floor and the quest failed you press G and map to your guild hall (which you could have done anyways because you were miffed that you just failed)

you then can (from your guild hall) press the G and map back from your guild (yeh i know ill map back to DoA and get another team to try again) but NO !! you accidently get to the "hidden citadel of mallyx" secret town. so providing you dont leave your guild, you can hit G and map there as much as you like.

the only REQ to take other people there are: They also must have faced mallyx at some point it doesnt matter when it also doesnt matter if the other people have the mallyx quest or not. but they must be able to get to your guild hall (guild member or guest invite)

so you can map people there, once the people are there you change char and get a guild member (who you just maped to the town) to map you there.

Also in the town there is a "Enter Misson" button on the party info at the side

so now you all go in, kill mallyx or fail as normal.

when done, you all map out to DoA to get the quest again. and with your other char that still holds the town you map everyone there again and repeat.

note that this is no longer possible !!! and this post is just here to shut up the people who think its a hack. and if you people read carefuly you will see that the first time it was found was a complete accident no hack no 3rd party program. Anet did lie to you all - maybe they said it was a hack because they didnt know how it was done themself maybe which is fair enough.

Anet are good at fixing things in game and as you see whs fixed really quick.
but the point of the matter is, one person needs a quest to map them the same as Duncan or a Taxi to Docks for better armour. no body sould have got banned for a taxi. anet didnt properly seal off the hidden town - all they had to do was remove the "enter mission" button from the party info.

You may agree with the ban you may not - who cares. my point is that no hacking no 3rd party programs, just a error by anet and people were wrongly banned. yes a 72 hour ban for a taxi - but thats about it.

im now free from guild wars so it really doesnt affect me.

Now... can i get a show of hands who laughed ?

If this is really the way it was done then ANet is lying AGAIN... big surprise there.

And, frankly, are a bunch of pig patooties for leaving such a hole in the first place.

And even bigger pig patooties for banning people since - to the player - this would not have looked all that different than leaving a char in Urgoz or the Deep for ferrying purpose.

And major big pig patooties for lying again.....and again....and again

What a fun game!

hurric · Jan 11, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

thumbs down for Anet for lying to us.
Thumbs down for users of this exploit because you *knowingly* went back there again

I'm fine with bans though as you went there on purpose over and over.

Let this be a lesson to both players and to Anet.

Trub · Jan 11, 2008, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Hmmmm....interesting reading.
Butttttttttttttt.......why so many times in, and why, oh why didn't you stop when you realized it was wrong? (if you even felt it was wrong...><)
I see no remorse for your deeds (any of the 117) ...I see no "Yes, I was wrong, and I deserved my ban." All I see is " well crap, EVERYONE else that knew about it was doing it too, it's JUST an exploit, no big deal..get over it..and I really thought it was kewl to keep going back again and again"

truzo 117 · Jan 11, 2008, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Everyone knew it was wrong, buy if you can make up too 60k a hour (minus consumables and fails) wouldnt you do it ?

plus its great fun, and i also found a good purpose for my para, i can out heal 1 monk and 2 necro/rt at the same time

just like a holiday. fun while it lasted

lyra_song · Jan 11, 2008, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Anet doesnt want people to know how exploits are done.

PERIOD.

This encourages other people to try it out in other portions of the game.

Thats why the details are almost always vague.

Ebony Shadowheart · Jan 11, 2008, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by JeniM

I have to agree about the being sick of Anet lying

Don't follow this too far or i'll get in trouble for off topic but the Limited BMP is now being sold after being limited to one offer

I believe that they said it was a 1 time 'promotional' offer, which is different. Just means they won't offer it as a promotional item again; they never said they wouldn't sell it.

All companies mince words like this. They have to use very specific wording carefully, else you could nab them for false advertising, which is illegal. You can look up Truth in Advertising Laws on the FTC website.

We really don't have any proof one way or another which side is lying. ANet can't release it's programming logs, or any documentation they may have for various reasons. We have a couple of different stories from people that have been banned. It's a lot of he-said, she-said. I have my own opinion, which I shall stick with.

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Everyone knew it was wrong, buy if you can make up too 60k a hour (minus consumables and fails) wouldnt you do it ?

Uh no.

Why?

First, I have a set of moral and ethical values that I do (try to) follow. If it's wrong, don't do it! "Just because you can doesn't mean you should"

Second, I'm not greedy apparently. Yes, I like having gold in game, but I do it the honest way (ie playing through the game, farming). I don't use exploits that may or may not screw up things for everyone else.

Coridan · Jan 11, 2008, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Anet doesnt want people to know how exploits are done.

PERIOD.

This encourages other people to try it out in other portions of the game.

Thats why the details are almost always vague.

While i can understand them not wanting the info about exploits are done...they should atleast tell the truth and say that is was a game mechanic that allowed the exploit rather than someone hacking the dat file.

TheRaven · Jan 11, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by truzo 117

Everyone knew it was wrong, buy if you can make up too 60k a hour (minus consumables and fails) wouldnt you do it ?

This might surprise you, but some of us have ethics. No, I wouldn't have used the exploit if I had known about it. I have no sympathy for those that did.